logo
NOTICE:  This is the new PunchCAD forum. You should have received an email with your new password around August 27, 2014. If you did not, or would like it reset, simply use the Lost Password feature, and enter Answer as the security answer.
Welcome Guest! To enable all features please Login or Register.

Notification

Icon
Error
Instance - How would I show a blank of a sheet metal part on a drawing?
Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Previous Topic Next Topic
NeuTechFLA  
#1 Posted : Saturday, March 10, 2018 12:25:38 PM(UTC)
NeuTechFLA

Rank: Guest

Joined: 12/14/2017(UTC)
Posts: 263

Thanks: 31 times
Was thanked: 27 time(s) in 12 post(s)
So, I would like to show my finished sheet metal part AND the blank of that part on the same drawing. How is that achieved in VC/Shark?
Back to top
jdi000  
#2 Posted : Saturday, March 10, 2018 12:27:48 PM(UTC)
jdi000

Rank: Administration

Joined: 7/29/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,862
United States

Thanks: 1 times
Was thanked: 87 time(s) in 81 post(s)
You can use draw views to accomplish that. You can create a model to sheet of the part then add a draw view and paste the flat part in it.


Regards

Jason
Windows 11, 10
Back to top
NeuTechFLA  
#3 Posted : Saturday, March 10, 2018 1:36:59 PM(UTC)
NeuTechFLA

Rank: Guest

Joined: 12/14/2017(UTC)
Posts: 263

Thanks: 31 times
Was thanked: 27 time(s) in 12 post(s)
Is the draw view a copy of the part (Cut and paste) before the punches are in place? In other words, is the draw view created from the finished part with the holes and bends suppressed? I have not done this before so I am clueless to the ease with which you have described it.
Back to top
jdi000  
#4 Posted : Saturday, March 10, 2018 2:03:26 PM(UTC)
jdi000

Rank: Administration

Joined: 7/29/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,862
United States

Thanks: 1 times
Was thanked: 87 time(s) in 81 post(s)

Ok I was assuming you had the geometry already created for both.

You can duplicate the part to another layer and unbend it.
Then put in views.

More of a manual process.

Regards
Jason
Windows 11, 10
Back to top
NeuTechFLA  
#5 Posted : Saturday, March 10, 2018 2:53:28 PM(UTC)
NeuTechFLA

Rank: Guest

Joined: 12/14/2017(UTC)
Posts: 263

Thanks: 31 times
Was thanked: 27 time(s) in 12 post(s)
So, it is not the same part in a different "state" of being rather it's two separate bodies within the file? Will they be associative?
Back to top
UGMENTALCASE  
#6 Posted : Saturday, March 10, 2018 4:24:06 PM(UTC)
UGMENTALCASE

Rank: Senior Member

Joined: 3/21/2017(UTC)
Posts: 952
Man
United Kingdom

Thanks: 46 times
Was thanked: 319 time(s) in 212 post(s)
You could change the draw view to manual update, and just not update it :-)
Back to top
NeuTechFLA  
#7 Posted : Saturday, March 10, 2018 4:33:19 PM(UTC)
NeuTechFLA

Rank: Guest

Joined: 12/14/2017(UTC)
Posts: 263

Thanks: 31 times
Was thanked: 27 time(s) in 12 post(s)
Originally Posted by: UGMENTALCASE Go to Quoted Post
You could change the draw view to manual update, and just not update it :-)


NeuTechFLA attached the following image(s):
Noooooo.jpg (11kb) downloaded 3 time(s).

You cannot view/download attachments. Try to login or register.
Back to top
UGMENTALCASE  
#8 Posted : Saturday, March 10, 2018 4:35:27 PM(UTC)
UGMENTALCASE

Rank: Senior Member

Joined: 3/21/2017(UTC)
Posts: 952
Man
United Kingdom

Thanks: 46 times
Was thanked: 319 time(s) in 212 post(s)
Haha,that's probably the worst suggestion I've ever considered! Might work though :-)
Back to top
NeuTechFLA  
#9 Posted : Saturday, March 10, 2018 4:46:40 PM(UTC)
NeuTechFLA

Rank: Guest

Joined: 12/14/2017(UTC)
Posts: 263

Thanks: 31 times
Was thanked: 27 time(s) in 12 post(s)
I am super close. I used the RMB "Duplicate Part As Instance" to create the 2nd and deleted the holes and bend. It's not perfect but it's a start. I get the sense I am missing the "magic" to get what I want. I will continue to play with it tonight.
NeuTechFLA attached the following image(s):
INSTANCE VIEW.jpg (156kb) downloaded 10 time(s).

You cannot view/download attachments. Try to login or register.
Back to top
NeuTechFLA  
#10 Posted : Saturday, March 10, 2018 4:51:06 PM(UTC)
NeuTechFLA

Rank: Guest

Joined: 12/14/2017(UTC)
Posts: 263

Thanks: 31 times
Was thanked: 27 time(s) in 12 post(s)
And yet again....seconds after I post...I find the answer. I was trying to place the view on a layer (duh!) instead of the part. Maybe I should give it up for the night!
Back to top
MPSchmied  
#11 Posted : Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:37:51 AM(UTC)
MPSchmied

Rank: Guest

Joined: 4/9/2017(UTC)
Posts: 512
Man
Germany

Thanks: 280 times
Was thanked: 140 time(s) in 107 post(s)
If you just use a unbend or unroll function of the power pack, you have not the right k-factor and your settlement is just wrong. This is just a waste of time. Better to make only a old school 2D-version with the k-factor (i made this already for laser cutting factories which have only 2D CAD). Or just make it with another software.

Edited by user Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:39:09 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

OS: Windows 10 | CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700 | RAM: 32 GB | Graphic: AMD Radeon RX Vega 56 | Shark FX 9 Build 1162 | Unit: mm
Back to top
UGMENTALCASE  
#12 Posted : Sunday, March 11, 2018 8:23:21 AM(UTC)
UGMENTALCASE

Rank: Senior Member

Joined: 3/21/2017(UTC)
Posts: 952
Man
United Kingdom

Thanks: 46 times
Was thanked: 319 time(s) in 212 post(s)
What we tend to do, is go middle ground and use a 'trim to length' note. Chances are unless you're using a cnc bender or something you'd get varying results anyway.

I believe NX unroll uses a middle distance for k factor, and not the exact figures
Back to top
NeuTechFLA  
#13 Posted : Sunday, March 11, 2018 12:22:43 PM(UTC)
NeuTechFLA

Rank: Guest

Joined: 12/14/2017(UTC)
Posts: 263

Thanks: 31 times
Was thanked: 27 time(s) in 12 post(s)
I use this chart as my general rule for creating sheet metal bend neutral axis. I typically will work with steel or aluminum so I am generally okay with the design based on this chart. I know the fabricators will work this all out (including spring-back) for themselves in the final product.

Edited by user Sunday, March 11, 2018 12:24:13 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

NeuTechFLA attached the following image(s):
K.jpg (146kb) downloaded 7 time(s).

You cannot view/download attachments. Try to login or register.
Back to top
thanks 2 users thanked NeuTechFLA for this useful post.
GARLIC on 3/11/2018(UTC), UGMENTALCASE on 3/11/2018(UTC)
Users browsing this topic
Guest (3)
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Powered by YAF.NET 2.1.2 | YAF.NET © 2003-2024, Yet Another Forum.NET